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That church is gone

I recognize the Church that writer John Jone spoke about (Forum, May 9) a church where all its teachings had the aura of infallibility. I grew up in it.

That Church is gone. Its departure was especially notable in the comments of Pope Paul VI about Vatican Council II. He noted that all Christians have "the same Lord, the same Baptism, the same Father of us all" and no one, not even the Church, is permitted to interfere with the free search for the truth.

Now Pope Francis is joining in, even giving Communion to Lutherans.

To be perfectly accurate, infallibility was never properly promulgated after Vatican I. Because of an Italian uprising, about 40 bishops left Rome without voting on infallibility.

Pio Nono (Pope Pius IX), wanting to be infallible, sent representatives after them and made them vote. The trouble was that one of them, Bishop Ignaz von Döllinger, voted "No" when an absolute agreement by all was required. Pio Nono would have none of that. He simply excommunicated Bishop Dollinger and then had complete agreement.

To be perfectly legal however, Vatican I was never properly closed and closure is what really puts all of the decisions into effect. Infallibility is messy.

Frank Nieman
Pleasant Hill

Fact check

Checking out Bob Conlon's allegation (Forum, April 11) that President Obama ordered a crucifix covered at Georgetown University before the president would speak there is false. Check it out on Snopes.com. Your editor should check facts before publishing any letter.

Sandra Lione

One true Church

Ecumenism. How can I possibly be asked to pray with my Jewish, Muslin or Protestant friends?

The Jews do not believe that Christ is the Son of God. Muslins teach that Christ was a prophet. Protestants have only "a smidgen of Catholic beliefs."

For the Bible, the council of Rome (382) listed 73 books, 46 books in the Old Testament and 27 books in the New Testament. Then in 393 (Hippo) and 397 (Carthage), two councils of North African bishops met in Hippo and reaffirmed the council of Rome's decision. Pope Innocent I, reaffirmed the exact same canon in 405.

The Bible stood for the next 1100 years for all of Christendom, until Martin Luther. So we know the Bible, what we accept as the authority of the Word of God, was determined by the Catholic Church more than 1600 years ago.

Christ handpicked 12 apostles, and he had more than a hundred disciples who followed Him. But you will not find one word where Christ told His Apostles and/or disciples to start any other Church.

I want to continue to believe the Catholic Church is THE Church Jesus initiated. And when I begin to pray with other Church groups, I am telling Jesus "all religions are the same."

We each can believe what we choose to believe, and like Martin Luther and the rest of the other churches; we can start our own religious groups. Or, we can remind ourselves of the Catholic Church is the Church Christ initiated, and believe in the True God, and teach our children and family accordingly.

It's due to the confusion of "believing and praying with other church groups," 70 percent of Catholics no longer believe in the Real Presence.

Richard Peterson

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